Breaking the Silence: Lisa Tickel on Healing Childhood Trauma and Embracing Hope

In the latest episode of the Inspiring Journeys podcast, host Lauri Wakefield focuses on childhood abuse and the path to healing with guest Lisa Tickel, a survivor-turned-advocate. Lisa shares her deeply personal story, highlighting the invisible wounds of trauma and her transformative journey through self-awareness, support, and education. The episode examines the systemic nature of abuse, its generational impact, and the importance of specialized trauma therapy. Lisa discusses her work through her podcast, Healing and Growing Hand-in-Hand, and her upcoming Women’s Childhood Abuse Healing Workshop, which offers targeted support and education. Through heartfelt dialogue, Lauri and Lisa emphasize the power of community, shared experiences, and the resilience of the human spirit, inspiring listeners to embrace healing and foster meaningful connections.


Key Topics Discussed:

• Lisa recounts her experiences with different forms of abuse
• Discussion of the impact of childhood trauma on adult relationships
• Overview of the four pillars of Lisa's podcast
• Insight into the Women's Childhood Abuse Healing Workshop

Key Takeaways:

Healing Requires Self-Awareness: Recognizing and understanding the impact of past trauma is crucial to fostering personal growth and recovery.

Community and Shared Experiences Are Transformative: Support systems and shared healing journeys create safe spaces that empower survivors and promote resilience.

Education and Advocacy Foster Change: Raising awareness and providing resources through platforms like podcasts and workshops help break cycles of trauma and inspire empowerment.

Healing Is an Ongoing Process: Recovery involves continuous self-reflection, building connections, and embracing support to pave the way for healthier relationships and a stronger sense of self.

Lisa's Bio: Lisa Tickel, a resilient survivor of childhood abuse, has transformed her healing journey into a mission to inspire and uplift others. As the creator and host of the podcast Healing & Growing, Hand in Hand, Lisa collaborates with experts and survivors to share transformative tools, stories, and insights for personal growth and recovery. With courage and authenticity, she provides a safe space for open conversations about overcoming trauma and celebrating triumphs. Off the mic, Lisa enjoys hiking with her dogs, Ace and Blackjack, spending time with her blended family, dancing, and cherishing meaningful connections with friends.

More About Lisa:

Website & Podcast: healingandgrowinghandinhandpodcast.com
Workshop: Women's Childhood Abuse Healing Workshop
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Chapters

• 0:00 Survivor's Healing Journey and Podcast
• 10:51 Supporting Healing Through Relationships
• 20:11 Healing Workshop and Podcast Launch

Transcript

Lauri Wakefield
00:00
Hi, welcome to the Inspiring Journeys podcast. Thanks for joining me today. I'm your host, Lauri Wakefield, and my guest today is Lisa Tickel. You want to say hi, lisa, hello everybody. So Lisa is a childhood abuse survivor and she's on her own healing journey, inspiring others to reclaim their lives, and she also has a podcast, the Healing and Growing Hand-in-Hand Podcast, which season two started. It's actually just started. You said today, yeah, today. Okay, okay, so you want to talk a little bit about the podcast. 

Lisa Tickel
00:35
Yeah, I'm really proud of the podcast. I've had it on for now over a year and I really focus on, you know, helping people, men and women heal from their childhood abuse, um, and their trauma and um. And I'll just say real quickly, there's four pillars to my podcast and the four pillars are one is I allow people to come on and share their stories of their, of their abuse and their healing journey. The second pillar is bringing on experts that help, um, you know, give us resources and tools to help us heal. The third is awareness bringing awareness to all the different areas of abuse out there that we may not even be aware of or know much about. And then the fourth one I just added for season two, and that's prevention. And so I'm going to be bringing on experts that are going to help parents and children and teachers, everybody to help, you know, prevent childhood abuse and trauma. 

Lauri Wakefield
01:27
Right. So why don't we go back to your childhood and talk about when you became aware, I think, of what? I don't even know if you were at that time, though, but just where things didn't feel right for you, you just felt, you know, like, like something wasn't right with the way that you were being treated by others. 

Lisa Tickel
01:45
So yeah, and it, it. You know, I really, I think when I was a young, young teenagers, when I really realized that I was being abused and at the time though I was thinking it was just my brother I didn't really see my parents part in it at that time so I was aware that there was abuse. I was also aware of the fact that abuse is, you know, it's passed down. You know. I didn't understand the significance of that, but I did understand that, and so it made me even question starting a family, you know, and I wanted children so bad. But I understood that link. And I don't know where I understood that from, because back then there wasn't anything really out there about trauma. There certainly wasn't trauma therapy, and there certainly wasn't anything really out there about trauma. There certainly wasn't trauma therapy, and there certainly wasn't laws to protect children either. 

Lauri Wakefield
02:29
So do you want to talk about, I mean, and you can share as much as you're comfortable with sharing, but just the type of abuse that you experienced? 

Lisa Tickel
02:38
Yeah, I'm transparent about it. I had every abuse except for sexual, so it was physical, emotional, verbal you know, there was a lot of different ones, mostly with my brother. It was verbal and physical and emotional. And then with my mom it was. It was a lot of emotional and verbal. And with my dad I don't know what you would call it other than neglect, but he just flat out didn't protect me Right, just didn't. He literally ran and hid when things would get scary with my brother.
 
Lauri Wakefield
03:11
So when we talked before, you were talking about your mother, didn't she push you to do like I don't know if I have this right, but like, get into beauty pageants. Was that what it was?
 
Lisa Tickel
03:23
No, but you're not far off, okay, not too far off it but no, she, you know I was this pretty little girl and she had a lot of fun as most mothers do, you know dressing up their daughter, and I can just remember, like Easter, the beginning of school you know we do big shopping and it was a lot of fun, and so it was obvious that she, she loved dressing me up and, um, and I was a cute little girl, Um, but that that did change. 
03:50
About my junior uh, no, actually my, not my junior, my um, junior high is what I'm trying to say. So in junior high is when it changed, and part of it is, you know, 12 and 13 year old girls tend to put on weight because our hormones are changing. So there's that. But I also emotionally ate. I just didn't realize that's what I was doing at the time, but it's very clear when I look back on it that I was emotionally eating to help cope with what I was going through. And my mother, who bought all this stuff that I ate, didn't like me putting on weight because I wasn't cute anymore and I think it embarrassed her, and so she got pretty vicious about it and got to the point where she wouldn't even buy any clothes till I lost weight. 
04:31
But I didn't know. I didn't even realize why I was gaining weight. So how am I going to figure out how to lose weight without someone helping me Right?
 
Lauri Wakefield
04:38
So do you feel like you kind of had like this role, like this image of you that you had to live up to for her, like her image of you, you had to be that.
 
Lisa Tickel
04:46
Oh yeah, and I took that into my adult life, very much concerned about my looks, struggled with my weight all my life, you know that was I. Still I've got it under control a lot more now but oh yeah, it clearly affected, you know, trying to make her happy and and get in and taking that image into my adult life. Like I said, I lost my mom to breast cancer at 16. So you know it stopped there, but that was already in my head. So I definitely took it into my adult life and, depending on my weight and depending on how I looked, would depend on how happy I was with myself.

Lauri Wakefield
05:26
Right or just how you felt. Yeah, so okay. So now your brother, what was the abuse that you had from him? 

Lisa Tickel
05:37
Um, a lot of it was, um, verbal, emotional and physical. It definitely was physical, um, and my brother, um, he was adopted. So I don't we don't know the whole story behind his adopted. So I don't we don't know the whole story behind his when he was little, when he was a baby, but you know, he started doing drugs and stuff when he was like 12 or 13 years old. 
05:52
So he was seven years older than me. So imagine someone who already is not real happy and then he's doing and he didn't do just marijuana, he did really hard drugs or he drank, um, and so imagine how unstable that is. So now you've got someone who's even more unstable, so he would come in and I just never knew what I was walking into. I didn't know what kind of mood he was in, and it all depended on that, and so it was really scary living in that, because again he could walk in my room and decide he's mad at me for something and hit me and nobody stopped him.

Lauri Wakefield
06:35
So while your mother was still living, did she, did she know that he was abusive towards you and did she do anything to try to stop it? 

Lisa Tickel
06:37
She used it against me at one point. Yeah, I remember. I don't remember what I got in trouble for. It was something you know dumb that a kid does. And instead of saying you know, wait till your dad gets home, it was wait till your brother gets home and finds out what you did. And I, even when I say that, like I just this little shred of tape goes through me. 

Lauri Wakefield
06:53
Right, he's not my parent for one thing. Yeah, yeah, it's giving him power that you, you know like. Why would he have that kind of power? 

Lisa Tickel
07:01
Well, and speaking of the power, I witnessed the power change between my father and my brother in eighth grade, because when my brother was in eighth grade he was bigger than my dad and I can read. I visibly witnessed this. Where my brother, my dad, was going to go in and spank him with a paddle, Brother stood up and took the paddle right out of his hand and I the power change right there.
 
Lauri Wakefield
07:22
Yeah, so is your dad still living? 

Lisa Tickel
07:23
No, he's been gone for quite a while. My parents had me later on in their life, so they were a lot older. 

Lauri Wakefield
07:33
And you don't think that he ever well, I mean, he probably did see what was going on, but he just didn't want to try to stop it or step in or...

Lisa Tickel
07:50
No, there was one time when my brother was screaming at my mother and um, cause my mother and my brother did not get along. And um, and somebody I can think of my mom said you know where's your dad, where's your dad? And I said I don't know. And I went looking and he was hiding in the in his bedroom. He was literally hiding in his bedroom. So I know my dad had a lot of trauma growing up, unhealed trauma for himself, and he just would never acknowledge it. There was only one time that he tried to stop my brother and it was fruitless. But at least he made an attempt. And I did confront him one time when I was an adult and he wouldn't even look at me, he wouldn't even acknowledge it. His bottom chin was quivering and that's the most he could acknowledge chin was quivering, and that's the most he could acknowledge. 

Lauri Wakefield
08:32
So okay, so so, as you got into your adulthood then I'm sure it affected your relationships with, you know, with men I probably was oh, yes, and stuff like that. 

Lisa Tickel
08:38
You know, I, I, I married my first husband and and I'm not I'm not going to throw him under the bus at all Cause we both came together, you know, with our stuff, our own stuff, um, but I really literally thought he was the only man in the world that would love me, because I was on such a mission to find somebody in the world that would love me. And, um, you know, we came together with our own stuff and it was not a good marriage. We were married for 25 years together, 30. It was not good for either one of us and certainly not good for our son, um. 
09:10
And because I had, I had had a measure of healing during my marriage, but with him, with the way that the marriage ended, it just it really stirred up the uh abandonment issues in me and the not lovable in me, and so I went right out right away, looking for another man. I had to, I had to find somebody else to love me and I jumped right into a narcissistic relationship not realizing that's what it was, um, and went ahead and married the guy, even though it went against everything in my gut, but I just couldn't be alone. And he passed away from cancer a year and a half later and then, you know, going through a narcissistic relationship, it really opened my eyes, and so I really had to take a step back and do some deep, deep healing before I got into another relationship. 

Lauri Wakefield
09:58
Yes, yeah, I mean, I went through that too. I, you know the, my husband, now we've been married for 20 years but I, between him and the and the relationship before that, there was seven years that I was on my own and just you know, taking care of my kids and trying to do things for myself. Because I got out of a relationship. That was really bad too. But yeah, it's definitely because when you don't, when you just jump back into something, you're taking everything with you and also when you don't heal, it's like you're attracting unhealthy. You know. You're going to attract where you're attracting unhealthy. 

Lisa Tickel
10:46
You know it's, you can't it's. You're going to. You're going to attract where you're at. So if you're healthy you're going to attract someone who's healthier, or you're going to spot unhealthy and you're not going to want to have anything to do with it. Really helped each other heal and I joke, but I'm serious when I say my husband is my normal. 

Lauri Wakefield
10:58
Yeah. 

Lisa Tickel
10:58
Because my life wasn't normal and sometimes I need like a checkpoint and I'll say something like is this normal, you know, because I don't. I don't have that in all areas, so sometimes I just need to kind of check in, right yeah? 

Lauri Wakefield
11:12
Yeah, my husband and I have a really good relationship too and he, you know he had abuse from his mother and you know, in my family it was my dad who was the abuser. But yeah, we've helped each other. I mean, without like focusing on that to help each other, just you know, it just happens, you know, as part of the relationship. 

Lisa Tickel
11:28
You support each other and you understand each other. 

Lauri Wakefield
11:31
Right, so anyway. So you, when we talked last time, you said that you took a workshop in 2001. Do you want to talk a little bit about that? 

Lisa Tickel
11:47
Yeah, I'd love to. So. At the church I was going to at the time they had a workshop and it was helping women overcome their childhood abuse. And you know I at the point, at that point, I had already worked through a lot of forgiveness for my brother. I really had no resentment towards him, didn't have a relationship with him either, but didn't realize why I was really going to take this workshop and I felt like God was kind of telling me I had to do it. And so I agreed okay, I'll do it, you know. And what kind of came out of it was? I definitely worked through a lot of the healing for my brother. And what kind of came out of it was I definitely worked through a lot of the healing for my brother and I didn't see the significance at the time until later. But at that time I began to see my parents' responsibility in the abuse as well, the lack of protection and all of that. 
12:30
And so a few years later, after I took that workshop, the lady that had created it wanted to retire. She reached out to a good friend of mine and myself and invited us to take over the workshop. We were thrilled to do it. We did it for eight years. It was amazing. It was a workshop that we did in my home. We walked these women through the beginning of their healing. For most of them, most of them hadn't even begun their healing journey and it was such a privilege and honor to watch these women heal and, you know, see things differently for the first time in their life. Because one of the statistics that's really amazing that I found from one of my guests is that, on average, women are sexually abused but I found this to be true with other abuse between the ages of 13 and 17. And they don't say anything for four decades. So these women are suffering for 40 years before they say something. And that's my mission is to stop that I had.
 
Lauri Wakefield
13:32
I had a guest who I don't know. It was sexual, it wasn't kind of indirect with her, but her sister went through it and yeah, I mean it was something that you don't realize, because you're just like who you are, You're just going through your life just like everybody else and you stuff things down. 

Lisa Tickel
13:52
Yeah. 

Lauri Wakefield
13:53
And you don't even know what to do with it either. You know what I mean. 

Lisa Tickel
13:57
And when things start to surface, there's so much shame. And I had Tim Fletcher on my podcast and he's a complex trauma specialist and one of the questions I asked him I said why is it those of us that have been abused carry the shame, not the abuser? You know why is it we carry the shame? Cause I don't feel like shame is a good emotion at all. There's no good that comes from it. And he said something really profound and he said it all has to do with your beliefs. And I paused for a minute and he's right, because I'm in a different place in my life and I don't carry that shame because I have different beliefs about myself than I did back then. Right, but shame just shuts our voice down. 

Lauri Wakefield
14:38
Yeah, and yeah, it's like a secret you don't want other people to know about you and your life. 

Lisa Tickel
14:43
you know sometimes, so yeah, so we think it's our fault. 

Lauri Wakefield
14:47
Yeah, yeah, or something that we could have done to prevent it? Yeah, exactly. You know and as I mean children. Obviously you don't have that kind of power. No, Okay, so you did that workshop for eight years, and then where did that lead after that?
 
Lisa Tickel
15:06
So then it was not long after I had to take a break from the workshop because I was getting ready to go through my first divorce Okay Well, my only divorce with my first husband and you know, and it was just, it just upheaved my whole life. It was insane. And so I took a break from it and um and I and at this point I started really doing more work on me because there's more stuff out there to help us and, you know, more awareness, and so I started working more on me and that's why, when I went into the second marriage even though I went into it kind of with my eyes wide open there was a lot I learned about myself and a lot I learned about that that helped me. So do you want me to talk about the new workshop? Is that where you want me to lead to?

Lauri Wakefield
15:51
Well, not necessarily, necessarily. I mean, you know, just let me continue with what you're talking about. Yeah, so yeah. 

Lisa Tickel
15:56
So you know I had because I'll tell you I had done enough healing that when I was in the narcissistic relationship, the marriage I saw the crazy stuff that he was doing, because he was doing the gaslighting and all the stuff that narcissists do. I didn't know the word narcissist so I knew it was crazy enough that I wanted out. I wanted out and I actually was beginning to prepare to leave the marriage. I was going to start saving money and for some reason I also knew I had to be kind of sneaky about it, right. 

Lauri Wakefield
16:22
Yeah.

Lisa Tickel
16:23
Now that I fast forward. Looking back, that was actually a really smart move, yeah. But as I was preparing for that is when we found out he had cancer, and so I put my plans on hold and wanted to commit to. You know, seeing him through this, I knew our chances weren't real great, and I also knew he was alone, and so I didn't want to leave him alone. And so I stayed with him until he passed, and I'm glad I did. But that then you know that started more of the abandonment and lovable stuff in me and I had to put my brakes on and I had to really kind of look at myself and go, okay, what's a whirlwind? That's for sure.
 
Lauri Wakefield
17:05
Yeah, I think my first marriage was a disaster too. I mean it fortunately didn't last that long. But I mean, I remember and there are different types of abuse but a lot of times people when they're I don't know, being abusive toward another person, they'll say things or call them names or something to just put them down. And I remember he said something to me and I looked at him and I said you know, you can call me anything you want, but I know what I am and I know what I'm not. Yeah, I got out of that relationship. Yeah, I mean I think you know, I don't know. I mean, and I feel good, I feel good that I have and I'm not saying, you know, it's like everybody's born and it's like we don't create ourselves, right. So I mean I'm grateful that I had that - I have that in me. 
17:49
You know at the time, the inner strength to just be able to separate. And then you know into the, the relationship after that, which was another disaster. There was a lot that I had to work through with that, but you know to be able to separate that. That you know those were his issues, those were his things. 
18:09
That's not me you know and so yeah, I mean, and when you can, you know, can do that, that's when you're going to be able to move beyond it. You know, and just yeah, after that, that was the seven years. I went seven years and I was just, yeah, I mean, I was a single mother. I, you know, I was a manager at a credit union and I and I went back and finished my college degree and it was, you know, just very. It was a tough time but there were things that I did, that built myself up so that when I was ready, got into a relationship, I was coming from a healthy place. 
18:44
So but anyway, go ahead. This isn't about me, Sorry. 

Lisa Tickel
18:47
No, no, no, it's okay, it's okay, yeah, yeah, so you know, and so you know I did. I took a little time for myself and I worked on myself and got into more and actually got into. I think this is the first time like I got into actual trauma therapy right, not just talk therapy, cause before I'd been going to talk therapy and you know I it helped to a degree, but we now know that trauma therapy is different and it's you need specifically trauma therapy to work through your trauma. Um, and then I met my current husband and, uh, he, he was a little challenge for me, but that was okay. He, you know it was I joke about it that we are iron sharpens iron, and it's so true, you know, we both bring some stuff to the marriage. 
19:28
It's so cool that we help each other out on and, um, you know, it took us a little while and we took the relationship slow and and, uh, you know, and it, and, and now I'm in a great, I'm in a great marriage. I'm very happy and and it's very different than the other ones. Yes, and I'm still. I still go to therapy. I'm still on my healing journey. It's something that I'm going to be on to my last breath, but at least I'm able now to manage it rather than it managing me.

Lauri Wakefield
19:44
Right, right, you know another thing I was going to ask you - you have another, another workshop that you're hosting now but like through the work that you've done with other women, do you find that you heal through their stories too?
 
Lisa Tickel
20:02
Yeah, yeah absolutely. It's so funny Cause usually about two or three weeks before the workshop would start, stuff would start stirring up in me for sure Both of us. It would start stirring up and we would have to kind of confront some stuff. And yeah, definitely it was. You know there's so much to it because it's such a blessing to watch other women heal. But yeah, we definitely grow and heal and learn more and that's one of the most powerful things, too, that we can have in our toolbox for healing is understanding trauma. 

Lauri Wakefield
20:41
Right, and I think too, you know just the support, like embracing each other, you know, and being able to, to share, that it's a common bond, it's like anything you know, you're just, you share something. 

Lisa Tickel
20:53
So yeah, and because so often we feel alone in all those years with that shame isolates us and we don't dare. And so when we are able to share with others and support each other, that really helps with our healing.
 
Lauri Wakefield
21:07
Yeah, you were a real estate agent at one point, weren't you? 

Lisa Tickel
21:12
Yeah.

Lauri Wakefield
21:13
And then you got into the... Was that before you started doing the workshops that the lady passed them to you and your friend, or was it like kind of at the same time? 

Lisa Tickel
21:21
Before that I worked in legal. So I worked in, uh, legal departments in large corporations, law firms, and then I got into real estate. So when I was in um real estate yeah, that's around the time that I was doing the workshop- part of the time.
 
Lauri Wakefield
21:37
Yeah, Okay, so, okay, so then. So then you got. I think we already talked about that. You stopped doing that cause you were going through your divorce and then you started. You started doing another workshop. I recreated the workshop okay, that's what I'm doing now, so I. 

Lisa Tickel
21:54
I recreated the workshop. That's what I'm doing now, so I took some ideas from the other workshop and the reason why I recreated it. It was very religious and I'm not saying anything that that's wrong. Uh, it just limits who I can reach out to. 
22:03
Plus, when I did the workshop before, I did it in our, in my home and this one's going to be online, it's going to be very confidential, it's still going to be a small, intimate group, so it's a safe environment. And I also enhanced the lessons a lot. I completely changed them, because the one thing I felt like what was missing in the last workshop is the lessons and learning about what we need in order to get on our healing journey and continue on our healing journey, and so I created new lessons for that. And then the other thing I added to this workshop that I love is there's continued support. So once you finish the workshop, there's a healing, a women's healing community, and the women that have gone through the workshop go into that community and then we start interacting with each other, supporting each other, learning from each other, you know. So, it's ongoing, which is nice. It's not like you're taking the workshop and I'm wishing you well and it's been great. You have continued support, basically for the rest of your life. 

Lauri Wakefield
23:06
Right, so so that workshop is called. What's the name of it? 

Lisa Tickel
23:12
Women's Childhood Abuse Healing Workshop. 

Lauri Wakefield
23:14
Okay, so that is going to be starting up in the spring, right? March? 
 
Lisa Tickel
23:21
Right March. It's March 6th. Okay, so it's an eight week, uh, eight week workshop. It's one night a week, two hours online, um, and again, like I said, we're keeping it very small 15 women, um, just to keep it very intimate and safe. 
23:42
Um, but the idea is to break, to raise up other leaders to be able to do this as well, and so we can eventually get it around the world and and for men as well create one for men. okay, so so is that one something that you do once a year, or is it more than once a year? 

23:52
Lauri Wakefield
Okay, so is that something that you do once a year, or is it more than once a year? 

Lisa Tickel
23:59
We have it scheduled for three times this year, so in March, in June probably June and in September. 

Lauri Wakefield
24:05
Okay, so, and how long have you been doing the new workshop? How many years? 

Lisa Tickel
24:10
This will be the first one. Okay, oh, okay, I didn't know that. Okay, yeah. 

Lauri Wakefield
24:13
Okay, oh, okay, I didn't know that. Okay, yeah. So when they do the lessons, what is it a workbook they get? 

Lisa Tickel
24:19
So there's some exercises that we'll do at first and then when we get into the lessons. It's like self-awareness and learning about triggers, and learning about the victim mindset and survival mode and self-talk and what are some of the other subjects. Yourself, and you know, because one of the things, too, is the perspective of others, because one of the things that abuse will do, is it 
24:48
changes your perspective about yourself and about how you see others. So, just you know, and and learning to have a new relationship with yourself, learning about yourself. What's your identity? You know, I didn't have an identity and I had an identity crisis in 2016 and I had no idea who I was. So we went on a search. So you know, and that's scary. That's scary when you don't know what your identity is. So those are some of the lessons and it's you know. It's just a really great package that gets you started on your healing journey, or going deeper into your healing journey. 

Lauri Wakefield
25:21
So when they do the lessons, is that something that they share in the in the group? 

Lisa Tickel
25:26
Well, yeah, we'll do the lesson online and then they'll do an exercise, and then we'll yeah, we'll share and and there is some there's a little bit of homework. There's not a lot, but there is a little bit of homework that you need to do in between the classes too. All of this is it's all created to build a different life than what you were doing. So you know, for instance, doing breathing exercises and learning some new coping mechanisms so that, when you are triggered, you become aware that you're triggered and you make different choices. You can see the different choices in front of you, rather than that one scary one that takes you down a really bad road, right? 

Lauri Wakefield
26:04
So in between each week, is there like a video lesson that they get, or is it live instruction? 

Lisa Tickel
26:13
It's all live. There's no recordings, though. We will not be recording anything, so it's live every night or every Thursday night. And then the other thing that we do is we follow up in the next two weeks with you. We'll have a 30 minute like little coaching call, just check in on you how you're doing, what's your challenges, what's your wins, you know, and just follow up. And then again then they go into the women's community, the healing community, and they can continue to get support from us as well as from other women. 

Lauri Wakefield
26:41
Right. So so the the live calls that you do what I mean? I know we kind of talked about it a little bit, but is that where there's instruction, like, do you teach them, like breathing exercises and things like that that will help them?

Lisa Tickel
26:54
Yes, so breathing exercises, grounding techniques, you know some reading material, but when we do the live one, it is it's us all interacting, because the one thing, also with survivors, is that their voice gets shut down. So it's not just us teaching them, it's participating, them interacting and having a voice, right? 

Lauri Wakefield
27:19
Okay. So, I'll link to that workshop, and then, um, so your new season that you said that starts today or started today. Yeah, and you do that. What bi-weekly still?
 
Lisa Tickel
27:29
It's weekly. Um, it's always been weekly. The first season I did, I was doing it twice a week, but this season we're just going to do it. 

Lauri Wakefield
27:37
That's what I meant. Yeah, that's my version of twice a week. So, yeah, I've been doing the podcast episodes my own bi-weekly, but I, in March, I'm planning to - tentatively planning - to start doing them weekly. So, is there anything else that you wanted to add?
 
Lisa Tickel
28:02
No, I'd love everyone to listen to my podcast. You know I'm really excited about season two. I'm bringing on a lot more experts. I still, of course, will have room for people to share their stories. That's always very important and we can connect with that. But getting the experts on and bringing especially the areas of awareness right, you know I'm really excited about a lot of the guests I'm having come on. 
28:24
And then the one thing I am doing in March too is I am going to begin a video series and it's Experts Explain Trauma, and it's just going to be short videos and I bring on experts and I'm going to share my own stories, you know, of things that I've done and then let the expert explain why I did that. Ok, so I'm going to be putting myself out there. 

Lauri Wakefield
28:46
So is that going to be on your podcast, or is it something else?

Lisa Tickel
28:50
It'll be separate. It's going to be on YouTube. It'll be on YouTube. 

Lauri Wakefield
28:52
Yeah, okay, so I'll link to that too. Well, that's going to wrap things up for this episode. Thanks so much for joining me today. If you'd like more information about Lisa and the products and services she offers well, actually, it'd just be services she offers you can visit her website, which I'll link to in the show notes. If you'd like to see the show notes, I'll link to the things that I said that I was going to link to. The podcast is Healing and Growing Hand in Hand Podcast[dot] com. And then, if you wanted to find out more about the abuse workshop, I'll link to that also. The domain is Womens Childhood Abuse Healing Workshop [dot] com. And then you also have where people can have a free 30-minute discovery call right Now what is that for? 

Lisa Tickel
29:45
Just if they had any questions. You know, if they want to know more, you know about the workshop, the podcast, or if they had questions, or I mean I don't call it coaching, I do more mentoring. So if they want mentoring. I don't really necessarily advertise that a lot, it's just if people reach out to me, so it could be that, all right. 

Lauri Wakefield
30:05
So do you want me to link to that or not? Sure, yeah, okay. So if you'd like to join me as I continue my conversations with other guests exploring topics for women over 50, please be sure to subscribe to this Inspiring Journeys podcast. Thanks again and have a great day. 

Lisa Tickel
30:20
Thank you. Thank you for everything.